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#5210 - 24/02/10 11:59 AM HRMS organization structures
Gareth Jones newbie Registered: 24/08/09 Posts: 12 Loc: Southbank, London	I'm a non-technical HRMS user (involved in MI mainly) trying to understand the how organization structures work in HRMS. I work for a fluid organization and we constantly seem to be trying to update our organizational structure due to structural changes, and never actually getting to the stage when everything is up to date. Naturally this causes some problems when it comes to reporting headcount etc, as the data is frequently out of date. From my perspective it seems like the process of keeping the organization structure up to date causes much work and returns little value. I'd appreciate your views about how this works for your organization, and thoughts on effective and efficient ways forward.
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#5212 - 24/02/10 12:24 PM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: Gareth Jones]
SBi claiming squatters rights Registered: 23/05/08 Posts: 291 Loc: UK	I think this is a common problem with no easy solution other than maintaining it.. One option will be to use the diagrammer for making the changes but there are always doubts about its stability... I think it is ok in R12.. Most people use external tools for org structure reporting..
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#5229 - 25/02/10 03:57 AM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: SBi]
MarinaH hacker Registered: 21/08/05 Posts: 75 Loc: Away with the fairies	Hi Gareth, Yes, the main way to maintain the hierarchy is through the hierarchy form or the diagrammer. Alternatively you could use the parent organization form which is under the Organisation definition form... Not very much help, I'm afraid! Take care Marina
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#5231 - 25/02/10 06:19 AM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: MarinaH]
delboy claiming squatters rights Registered: 15/03/05 Posts: 291 Loc: Somewhere in Berkshire	If you're thinking of going down the external tool route, take a look at Aquire Solutions. They have a tool that analyzes workforce data using org charts. Delboy
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#5246 - 25/02/10 03:49 PM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: delboy]
SBi claiming squatters rights Registered: 23/05/08 Posts: 291 Loc: UK	Orgpublisher?? Are there any tools in the market which have free BETA versions??
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#5248 - 26/02/10 01:44 PM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: SBi]
Geoff Dixon sitting tennant Registered: 14/03/05 Posts: 354 Loc: Sussex by the Sea	Gareth - is it worth looking at the granularity of the Orgs and Org Hierarchy that has been defined? Is it defined at too low a level of detail? How does it relate to the costing structure? To Jobs? Are they using Positions? You say that the Hierarchy offers 'little value' and yet it is a problem from a reporting point of view - I think it might be worth looking at that as well? If they really need accurate but more summary data, then there might be a way to do that by making the hierarchy simpler? _________________________ Geoff Offering opinions since 1962
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#5254 - 03/03/10 12:55 PM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: Geoff Dixon]
Gareth Jones newbie Registered: 24/08/09 Posts: 12 Loc: Southbank, London	My current thinking is to use the costing codes to aggregate data. These map through to discrete parts of the organisation, and can be used to map to departments etc. Some people might have more than one costing code, but in these instances we could apportion the FTE by costing code. If we did it this way what value does the organization hierarcy have?
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#5260 - 03/03/10 04:11 PM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: Gareth Jones]
bcooper veteran Registered: 11/03/05 Posts: 945 Loc: Earth, Europe, England, here	Originally Posted By: Gareth Jones If we did it this way what value does the organization hierarcy have? User security? I think that's all we use it for. Everything else seems governed/linked by costing. _________________________ I'm blogging again - albeit sporadically Also my random musings courtesy of Twitter
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#5264 - 09/03/10 01:57 PM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: bcooper]
Gareth Jones newbie Registered: 24/08/09 Posts: 12 Loc: Southbank, London	Is it possible to swing the security around costing codes?
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#5265 - 10/03/10 08:19 AM Re: HRMS organization structures [Re: Gareth Jones]
CT veteran Registered: 11/03/05 Posts: 820 Loc: Back at Fort Apache, Gosport!	When you say 'costing codes', do you mean code combinations? If so, I think that would be impractical to be honest, given the likely number of combinations of costing segments. Also, the fact that an assignment can have split costing could make for some interesting challenges! I believe you can already secure by payroll and org (which are costing levels in themselves) and of course by position (which to my knowledge is not a costable entity) _________________________ L&K CT
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